La Pierre de Tear fait peau neuve ! L'aventure continue sur www.pierredetear.fr !
L'ancien site est a présent archivé pour la postérité et en mode "lecture seule". Vous pouvez consulter l'ensemble du contenu et des anciennes discussions du forum,
mais plus créer de nouveaux topics ni écrire de nouvelles réponses.
j'attends au moins la bande-annonce avant de me prononcer. Mais je pense qu'il sont au moins bons pour tourner 7 ou 8 films. En deçà, ce serait du charcutage à la tronçonneuse. Et pour ce qui est des Aes Sedai, ce n'est pas parce qu'elles sont dominatrices, manipulatrices et hautaines qu'elles ont des pouvoirs immenses pour autant ! au contraire, elles sont FAIBLES
Mouais, je partage le sentiment général, j'ai très peur.
Autant sur la qualité, on peut être surpris, s'il s'agit d'un vrai fan aux commandes qui sait s'entourer (Le Seigneur des Anneaux, avec ses défauts, s'en est très bien sorti par rapport à ce que l'on pouvait craindre). Mais par contre, ils vont faire comment pour tenir toute l'histoire avec les mêmes acteurs? Il n'y a qu'à voir Harry, en 7 films (et donc 7 ans dans le livre), il aura prit quoi? 10-12 ans? Le temps s'écoule beaucoup plus lentement dans la Roue, alors ça va donner quoi...? Rand sera grand père à la Tarmon Gai'don.
De mémomire, le SdA avait été tourné d'un trait en un an et demi. Les acteurs vont faire une croix si le premier film marche sur six ans de leur vie?
Dans l'interview ils disent y avoir reflechit (vu qu'ils ont reflechi au type de "support" : film live, animation, série), mais...euh...c'est sûr?
Dans un cas comme dans l'autre, j'ai des doutes en tout cas.
J'ai peur d'un simple effet d'aubaine : Les adaptations de livres au ciné marche plutôt bien, surtout les séries.
Je leur souhaite en tout cas bien du courage, ils s'exposent dangeureusement à nos foudres niark niark.
Ma, ils feront sûrement comme pour les elfes du SdA...
Le mieux resterait que ce soit un télé-film, comme pour Shogun, ou dans le style Battlestar Galactica...Ca réglerait la question des films étalés sur 12 ans! XD
Ca en est ou cette histoire de film?
A mon avis aussi pas facile de résumer en 1 seul film mais je suis pas sur qu'il y ait un assez grand public pour pour une trilogie (ou plus).
Une série qui reprendrait les principales étapes ca pourrait être sympa par contre.
Pourquoi remettre à demain ce que l'on peut faire le sur-lendemain?
J'ai lu il y a quelques temps sur des sources fiables (me semble-t-il -genre le site d'Universal et une interview d'un mec en charge des films) que leur projet actuel est de faire un film pour un livre VO, aussi fou que cela paraisse. Dès lors, on n'est pas étonné de ne pas avoir de nouvelles depuis. En effet, dans cette même interview, le monsieur insistait sur le fait qu'il fallait une préparation optimale avant même de commencer le tournage, car quand la machine serait en route, plus rien ne devrait l'arrêter s'ils ne veulent pas finir leur douzaine de films avec un Rand retraité. Le challenge parait énorme, mais ils se disent prêts à le relever -d'autant plus qu'ils vont mettre en place un marché à la HP ou SdA à côté, avec jeux vidéos, etc.
A prendre avec des pincettes mais avouons tout de même que cela peut donner le sourire aux plus optimistes d'entre nous.
Aelfinn de la PierreModo - Jury des Joutes - Conseil RPRelecteur
Voici l'interview en question je suppose :
Excerpt from the interview Dragonmount did with REE fall 2008:
DM: First of all, thank you for agreeing to do this interview. So many fans are passionate about the possibility of a movie based on the WHEEL OF TIME that there’s a great many questions to be addressed.
REE: Regarding the movie– and we know this will be frustrating to WOT fans, so we apologize in advance– but it is too early for us to talk about the details of the movie Larry and I are producing. Those of you familiar with the film business will understand. Please rest assured that when we have something meaningful to share, we will do so as appropriate. We are sure it won’t be too much longer until we can share some specifics about the movie project.
DM: So regarding some aspects around the movie; we’ve heard about “options” and “purchases”. Can you explain the difference for those of us not familiar with how the movie industry works?
REE: Red Eagle Entertainment optioned the WHEEL OF TIME property through a subsidiary about five years ago. Simply put, an option is the right to acquire something at a later time and at terms and conditions that have been agreed upon in advance. In our case, the option gave us the ability to purchase rights to develop, produce and distribute films and television programming based upon the WHEEL OF TIME, and also to license the themes and characters of the story for various applications such as video games and consumer products. We exercised our option and purchased these WHEEL OF TIME rights in February of 2008. And as you know, we are beginning with the adaption of “The Eye of the World”, which we intend to develop as a big-budget, live-action film for a theatrical release to a global audience.
DM: How long have discussions with major studios been going on? It appears no studio signed an agreement with you during the first few years that you had the option.
REE: As you can imagine, with nearly 10,000 pages of very complex storytelling and with more than 1,700 named characters, THE WHEEL OF TIME is an extremely challenging story to adapt to a feature-length film. Quite frankly, the project was too challenging for some studios, because of the size of the literary work, its depth, the required budget, etc. The WHEEL OF TIME is an epic on the scale of STAR WARS! What other film project can you put in that category? The point is this is not a $30M romantic comedy. Remember, it took THE LORD OF THE RINGS 40 years to make it to the big screen.
This project is a HUGE challenge for even the biggest and best studios, directors and writers, but it also presents an extremely rare opportunity. In the last several years we considered and pursued many avenues for the development of this project. We have held discussions with many writers, directors and studios regarding how this project ought to be adapted, including such basic questions as: “should the adaptation be a live-action picture, an animated film or a television mini- series?” We have worked hard at identifying the elements needed for success, and we have given special focus to the selection of the most appropriate medium for telling the story and the creative talent needed to successfully adapt Jim’s novels into a compelling screenplay. In addition, it was very important to us to make sure we found a long-term home with a major studio that truly believes in our project.
Today, we think we are on the right trajectory with the project. The adaptation of THE WHEEL OF TIME novels to film is just something that we all need a lot of patience with. More than anything, we want it done right!
Of even more importance, we will be working closely with Harriet as a trusted advisor on our movie and other projects. In addition, we are making great efforts to ensure that we incorporate a fan perspective into our thinking. Accordingly, we have established formal relationships with some of the most knowledgeable leaders within THE WHEEL OF TIME community to seek out their views on our film production efforts. We have called on them in the past, and expect to do so more frequently as our film and other projects get ramped up.
Although we are big fans of THE WHEEL OF TIME, we continue to augment our understanding of the series by immersing ourselves in the collective wisdom of THE WHEEL OF TIME fan community. We are thankful for the many top-quality WHEEL OF TIME reference websites, such as Encyclopedia WOT. We also spend much time regularly reading through all of the major fan message boards, including Dragonmount, Tar Valon, WOT Mania, and many others. We are continually impressed at the insights we gain from reading the many thoughtful postings made by the members of the online community. For the time being, WHEEL OF TIME fans should consider these web boards a good way to make their thoughts known to the producers of the motion picture.
Brandon Sanderson had it right when he observed that a book-based movie is much more than the literal filming of the pages from a novel. Not surprisingly, in order to make a compelling motion picture from a lengthy literary work, there are countless trade-offs and creative choices that have to be made, especially when the source material is as voluminous as THE WHEEL OF TIME. And we keenly know that no matter what choices are made, some within THE WHEEL OF TIME community will always take issue with whatever is decided. In fact, it is not lost on us that there are many fans of THE LORD OF THE RINGS that to this day still revile Peter Jackson’s adaptation of Tolkien’s story.
It is important for all WHEEL OF TIME fans to know that our goal is not to make a motion picture that replaces the experience of reading Jim’s novels. That, be assured, would be an impossible task. Instead, we are aiming to create an entirely new experience that complements, extends and enhances the reading experience. We will do this carefully and with the full benefit of the thinking of Harriet, our group of WHEEL OF TIME subject-matter experts, and the combined wisdom of the entire WHEEL OF TIME community, so fans can rest assured that we will have plenty of help in our task.
Got something to say? We’re listening!
We should also say that we have seen a lot of misinformation on the message boards claiming to give insight into our film and other WHEEL OF TIME projects. For example, fans would do well to ignore postings allegedly containing second and third-hand “inside information” about our WHEEL OF TIME film project that is currently making the rounds on the message boards. This is going to be a long and crazy journey for all of us, but we welcome everyone along for the ride!
Jason, thanks for giving us an opportunity to answer your questions.
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we are only at the very beginning of the process of making a movie. Accordingly, there are many creative decisions regarding the adaption of the story to film that have yet to be made. In making these decisions, we will work closely with our studio partner, screenwriter, director, and with the advice of Harriet. You should also know that our effort, like most successful movie ventures, is fueled by the combination of a significant business opportunity with a deep, personal passion that we have for The Wheel of Time story. I have personally read every book in the series and I have a great appreciation for both the intricacies of the story and the brilliance of the many carefully-placed clues that the author has planted for readers in his writing. We would not have touched this project if we believed The Wheel of Time was simply “standard fantasy” fare. Instead, in The Wheel of Time, wits count for as much as brawn, the tension between the sexes is palpable, and the greatest powers can be only unleashed by cooperation between men and women. In addition, the reader has the unique ability to see each character’s motives from first, second and third-person perspectives, and the author portrays an ancient world that is placed amid relics of our own future. Like you, we consider The Wheel of Time to be something special. We believe Jordan’s story redefines the fantasy genre.
Our every effort will be to ensure that the motion picture we produce does nothing less.
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I appreciate the obvious thought and energy you have put into your postings here on Dragonmount. I want to thank you for your very insightful and constructive comments.
Fan Communication: You may be surprised to learn that I agree with you that our past communication with Wheel of Time fans has been inadequate and is in need of improvement. As Rick and I are fully consumed in producing the movie and with the launch of the recently-announced Red Eagle Games studio, we just don’t have the time day-to-day to make regular postings on these boards. To cure this problem, we are engaging a long-time member of the Wheel of Time community to work closely with the online fans with the aim of keeping everyone abreast of major developments in our projects. If we get this right, we are hopeful that a constructive flow communication can travel both ways. As we stated in our recent Interview with Jason, we would like to draw upon the boundless vigor and creativity of the Wheel of Time fan community for inspiration and guidance as we proceed with our movie and video game projects.
Charles Says:
November 20th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I would like to make a comment about something that especially worries me after watching the first three Legend of the Seeker episodes. A large part of what I like to see in fantasy books is an author’s view on how good people react when put into situations where tough decisions are necessary. In the Sword of Truth, the heroes do things like stand by as innocent people die, because they know that if they try to stop this, they will only get themselves killed. In the later books, Richard even attacks nonviolent protesters who are supporting the Imperial Order. This theme appears to have been removed entirely from the TV series, replaced by stock moments of Richard helping people who are willing to turn him in (something Goodkind would never approve of).
In TEOTW, the heroes do things like sink ferries and leave people who have helped them to their fate, because stopping the DO is too important (”The fact that the price must be paid is proof that it is worth paying.”) In later books, we have Rand sending lightning into the middle of a fight, killing his own men as well as Shaido, so that the gates may be closed. We also have countless moments underscoring that in war against the Shadow, innocent bystanders die (for instance, the death of the Tuantha’an woman at the beginning of TDR); this also make’s Min’s gift especially poignant, since she has to bear the foreknowledge of all these innocent deaths. I know that very few of these moments can make it onscreen for time considerations (I imagine the character of Min, for instance, will probably be cut entirely), but I desperately hope that the theme will not be dropped.
Larry Mondragon Says:
Charles,
I appreciated reading your post very much and I heartily agree with your observations.
In my view, one of the best parts of RJ’s writing is his portrayal of the anguish and inner turmoil of the key characters as they confront a cascade of gut-wrenching decisions throughout the series. Our heroes face moral choices at every turn– they must weigh the safety of themselves, their family and their friends against the larger needs of a world in great peril. And as you point out, our protagonists are tormented with the knowledge that by their act or omission innocent people will suffer in the uncertain hope that some greater good will be served by their cause.
It is precisely these life-changing decisions that cause Rand and his friends to quickly mature beyond their years. And as they struggle with these difficult choices, the reader is given an intimate look into their empathy for others, strength of character, and moral bearing.
As I have previously posted, there are many tough decisions that we will have to make in adapting The Wheel of Time to a motion picture screenplay. However, I would like to avoid over-reaching in the scope of the adaptation; this will likely result in a rushed tale populated by numerous shallow and one-dimensional characters.
Instead, I favor of taking a more focused approach featuring an ensemble of strong, relatable characters that the audience can really get to know. As you state so very well, the painful moral choices faced by our leading characters are an essential part of the story. In my thinking, RJ’s exploration of each character’s sense of right and wrong in the face of events outside of their control is one of the thematic elements that makes his writing so exceptional.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts,
Larry
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The Motion Picture: Your recollection about Robert Jordan seeing a possible script of the movie is partially correct. While no script has yet been written, some time ago, we provided RJ and Harriet with a “Preliminary Outline,” which was a brief summary of our initial thoughts as to how the WOT story could be adapted into a screenplay for the first movie. This preceded a very good discussion with RJ and Harriet during one of their book tour events in Southern California. Jordan recognized that writing for a movie was much different from writing a novel, with both limitations and advantages over the written medium. We have continued to evolve our thinking on the adaption of the initial movie, and as I indicated in my last post, we will have the benefit of working with a studio partner, screenwriter, director and Harriet.
Everyone should understand that the process of making a live-action feature film is a very long one (especially for a movie that will likely contain numerous visual effect shots). With luck, everything can come together in 3-4 years, but it can easily take longer to make it happen. In the film industry, it is the generally the norm that fans hear very little about the making of movies based upon their favorite characters and stories until the very end of the production process. However, depending on the interest and support of the WOT fan community, we would like to do much, much more.
In closing, I must apologize in advance that I am unable to respond to each and every posting. But please understand that I follow these boards very closely.
And I am always surprised at just how much I learn from you all.
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Thanks for your words of encouragement.
Ultimately, each of you will get to decide on the merits of our work by your decision as to whether you will see the Wheel of Time movie and whether you will purchase the related video games.
I have always believed that bit of healthy skepticism can be a very good thing, especially when applied to a topic so dear to us all.
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Before starting a busy week, I wanted to give a quick response to a couple of questions that were raised [...]
QUESTION: “…has anybody been signed on to play a role yet or is that bs!”
ANSWER: No casting decisions have yet been made for The Wheel of Time movie. A good Hollywood agent is expected to aggressively seek out new opportunities for her clients, so it would not surprise me if some inquiries have already been made. However, we are still at an early stage in making the film and no roles have been filled. For what is it worth, my own personal view is that the movie needs to be driven by the simple strength of Jordan’s story and not by the resumes of major film stars. To match the evolution of the story, I would prefer that many of the key roles be taken by young, talented up-and-comers who are not yet household names, and then compliment this core cast with several strong and recognizable supporting actors.
QUESTION: “Someone mentioned putting multiple books into each movie, is that likely to happen?”
ANSWER: [...] I wish I could give you a simple answer, but here is the low-down. (As before, these are my own personal views as a producer on the film). First, until work on the initial screenplay is completed, all creative options must be on the table. Like any zealous fan of the WOT series, I begin by asking how each novel could cleanly map out to a single movie. But I find that this approach doesn’t always work. We all know Jordan’s work features intricate, multi-threaded plotlines, myriad revolving characters, great vicissitudes in tempo and pacing, and often the matters at hand are not cleanly resolved with a gripping climax at the end of each book. This is especially true in some of the later novels in the series. In my view, nothing can be worse than to end a movie with a whimper that can comes across to a theater audience as a crass come-on for a future sequel film (did anyone else leave the theater boiling angry after wasting their money on “Matrix 2” ???).
The dedicated Jordan fan has developed an appreciation for the greater purpose served by each of the breakpoints in the novels (which for me, slowly became more apparent the further I got in my reading of the series). However, to a great many people, the films are likely to be their very first exposure to “The Wheel of Time.” Therefore, we will need to carefully strike a balance in our adaptation that will appeal to both long-time WOT fans and newbies alike. In a discussion long ago with RJ, I was surprised to learn just how clearly he understood the difference between telling a story in film and doing so with the written word. While admitting that he knew little about the filmmaking process, he instinctively knew that that a successful movie would have to both meet the expectations of existing fans, and at the same time, touch the hearts and minds of a global audience unfamiliar with the exploits of Rand and his friends. Not an easy task. And certainly some will find fault in any balance that we strike. But I do understand that if people take this personally, it is because they care so much about this special work of authorship. I only ask that you keep an open mind as to what we are trying to accomplish and fairly judge us on the finished product.
In closing, please understand that as I share any information about picture, I need to be considerate of the interests of our studio partner and the creative talent working on the picture. So there will likely be some questions about our film project for which I will not be able to provide you with a satisfactory answer. That being said, whenever I can share something of interest to the fan community, I am happy to do so.
Kind regards,
Larry
Et il y en avait un autre de REE par Richard Fife sur Tor.com
14 films pour 14 livres...enfin, s'il y en a bien 14...
Je suis assez optimiste concernant la formule certes, mais reste un problème: les acteurs qui ne veulent pas être trop "identifié" à un personnage donné ou qui vont en avoir ras la casquette...On va donc se retrouver avec le risque de personnages joués par des acteurs divers tout au long de la série, trop longue pour être tournée d'un coup comme cela a été le cas pour le SdA.
14 films c'est trop, personne n'ira voir 14 films au cinéma, on est pas dans du harry potter ou les acteurs grandissent en meme temps que le film et que les spectateurs.
de toute façons on peut couper une bonne partie de l'histoire, pas mal de remplissage vers les tomes du milieu et des mini histoires pas forcement utiles.
Un format série serait plus sympa non?
le casting est ouvert? je veus bien faire le Trolloc ^^
sang et sacré cendre!!! ce que j'aime ce forum!!!!!
je fais partis de ceux qui craignent une chose pareil!!!!!
je ne suis pas sur de vouloir un film ou une série de la roue du temps.
J'aime le cercle d'initié (très grand cercle, certes, genre equateur) dont nous faison parti, mais si un/des films sortent, j'ai peur quer tout l'esprit de cette oeuvre soit perdu, non, franchement, imaginez, on trouverais un Rand "brushingué" sur autos-collans dans nos céréales avec écris:
-"trouves la vignettes Nynaeve et gagne des super figurines la Roue du Temps en envoyant le num trouvé au dos de la vignette par SMS(20f/le sms)ou au 0848877879(50f/la min) à chocopoup's de kell'ops"-
Non franchement ... ... ... je ne sais pas si je pourrais survivre à ça
Si le film de la roue du temps met la barre au même niveau que ce qu'ils viennent de faire sur le Trône de fer (Song of ice and fire/Games of thrones), ça serait très appréciable.
Si c'est pour faire l'équivalent de la série de l'épée de vérité, ce n'est pas la peine...
Voyons jusqu'où arrive le trône de fer. Déjà, que Martin finisse la série (il ne doit plus lui rester tant que ça de héros à tuer ^^) puis que l'adaptation aille à son terme. Après on pourra juger.
Bah ils ont déjà signé pour la saison 2 pour laquelle le travail a commencé, ils savent ce qu'ils vont faire dans la 3 et là ils s’intéressent déjà à ce qu'ils vont faire pour les saison 4 & 5.
C'est chez HBO, l'audience y a nettement moins d'importance qu'ailleurs (chaine payante, style canal+), la visibilité dans le temps pour les producteur est très importante. En prime, les audiences des premières diffusions sont bonnes, très bonnes même (très supérieure à celle de true blood sur la même chaine).
Pour tout ceux qui parlent de 7 8 film, que sa ferait beaucoup, prenon exemple sur les harry potter, il y en a un paquet et s'a n'empêche d'être bien! Bon ok la roue du temps est complex et terriblement complète, mais si on regarde de plus près, dans quelque un des tome, il ne se passe pas forcément grand chose, et au finale un chapitre qui parait terriblement long, est au finale une scène beaucoup plus courte dans la réaliter! Moi mon avis est qu'ils peuvent en faire un vrai bon film! Après espéront que le réalisateur n'en fasse pas qu'a sa tête!
Déjà, avant de penser à faire un film, je pense qu'il faudrait attendre que tout soit fini d'écrire, histoire de savoir où l'on va, quels sont réellement les passages hyper indispensables, et ceux qu'on peut (ô malheur) supprimer.... Mais bon, il est vrai que comme beaucoup, je pense qu'une série serait plus adaptée. D'une part, parce qu'en tant que série, elle serait peut-être plus confidentielle - en gros, ceux qui voudraient la suivre la suivraient, et les autres non. On n'aurait pas de critiques de personnes ne sachant pas quoi faire un dimanche après-midi et qui décideraient de venir voir le film sans en connaître quoi que ce soit.... c'est sûr qu'en ce cas ils risquent de ne pas aimer... - , et d'autre part, car c'est le format le plus adapté pour une telle longueur de récit. Et c'est évident que je suis pour qu'un maximum de "plots" soient développés à l'écran.... Enfin bon, à mon avis, le projet risque de ne pas voir le jour de suite. Et en tout franchise, je préférerais qu'il n'y ait pas d'adaptation qu'une adaptation ratée....
Le problème des films c'est les coupures qu'ils vont devoir faire c'est clair : l'une des originalités de la Roue du Temps, et non des moindres, réside dans les détails que l'on ne voit pas forcément à la première lecture et que l'on ne comprend que plus tard. Du coup j'ai un peu peur qu'ils soient à court de bande pour caler tout ça, d'autant que ça risquerait même parfois d'apporter plus de confusion qu'autre chose (pourquoi telle scène sans intérêt alors qu'elle n'aura d'importance que dans le 12ème film ?, etc...). Bref, j'attends de voir ce que ça va donner, mais ce serait vraiment un coup de maître de leur part de réussir à développer autant les films que les livres. A mon avis,vu les exigences des livres, ça ne risque d'être vraiment "réussi" que pour ceux qui n'auront pas lu les bouquins : on sera plus du genre, j'en ai peur, à bondir à chaque passage supprimé en criant au scandale XD
Le format idéal pour la Roue du Temps serait une série télé, avec une saison par livre (version anglaise), un épisode par chapitre, ou pour deux chapitres. Chaque chapitre se termine en cliffhanger, et chaque livre se termine avec un gros évènement qui laisse présager du lourd pour le livre suivant. C'est idéal pour être adapté en série télé. Ce format-là permet de développer et traiter tous les aspects du livre. Mais bien sûr, il faudrait quelques adaptations.
Moi je sais vraiment pas quoi en penser, des sagas incroyable à lire qui ont réussit leur passage vers les écrans, heu, pas des masses... Dune même si j'aime bien le film, est à des années lumières des livres, SDA est une réussite, Game of Throne est bien fait, mais en gros je trouve 3 exceptions quoi, si on va plus loin, Harry Potter les films sont un carnage, les séries XIII...
Après je pense que afficionados des bouquins on sera jamais à un niveau au dessus de pas mal, car on a tous nos propres images des cités, des persos, de l'ambiance, des mimiques etc etc etc...
Et puis si on en parle là c'est pour critiquer comme des sales non ?
